[ A little Late; pardon me for that. But on the principle of ‘Better late than never,’ …Sharing something I found on the net: ]
[ A little Late; pardon me for that. But on the principle of ‘Better late than never,’ …Sharing something I found on the net: ]
This post, long in my mind, is inspired by my Good Friend, Anna Waldherr. I had gone through two of her posts on the page/category: catholic church sex scandals:
The two are given below,
(image from the post), and
Virginity and Celibacy Fascinates mankind, precisely because Everyone knows just How Difficult it is to Refrain from Sex.
In India, those who are close to a priest might ask: “How do You Sleep?” …I have been asked that.
You go to a Homeopathic doctor. He comes to know You are a priest. He asks: “What do You do for Sex?” (I know that patients are routinely asked about sexual behaviour in this treatment).
That is Why those who refrain from it, or claim they refrain from it(!) are held in such Awe, to the point of Veneration.
Yet there have been, and there Are those who gave up sex (sublimated, as some like to emphasise), for higher purposes, including religion. …Naughty man that I am, in the above I would include those who are Just Not Interested in sex for various reasons.
So far I was trying to point out that the Sex Drive is one of the Strongest.
As is my usual practice, shall speak Only of the catholic church.
We see in the Bible that ancient or even contemporary beliefs and practices were taken as a basis, but in Every case, Astonishingly New Conclusions were drawn.
The catholic priesthood and the Bible.
Christ had Not made ‘the Unmarried state’ a ‘condition’ for being one of His Apostles (by definition, chosen from among the chosen).
True, He had remained Unmarried, and people (particularly the church) will quote Matthew 19.12, the one about ‘Eunuchs for sake of the kingdom.’
Except for John the apostle, all the others are said to have been married.
(Above: depiction of Jesus healing Peter’s Mother in law. Luke 4:38-41.)
Hardly surprising in a society which considered marriage ‘Obligatory,’ vide:
‘…Male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth…” (Gen 1.27-8).
On the other side, the idea of ‘unmarried clergy’ started Many centuries after the Apostolic times. The people liked it, and the ‘church’ obliged. What the people like, the church is Eager to give.
A third element, if I may call it that, has to be considered. …THE LAITY would not like it if the church considers changes in this regard.
I state that the catholic church took up and promoted ‘celibacy,’ seeing the fascination it held for the masses.
Like a Bull dog, it is holding On to it.
All the above can be called
THE REASONS FOR THE UNMARRIED CLERGY IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
As an Interlude, consider these:
St. Peter, Apostle
St. Felix III 483-492 (2 children)
St. Hormidas 514-523 (1 son)
St. Silverus (Antonia) 536-537
Hadrian II 867-872 (1 daughter)
Clement IV 1265-1268 (2 daughters)
Felix V 1439-1449 (1 son)
|Name of Pope||Papacy||Son of|
|St. Damascus I||366-348||St. Lorenzo, priest|
|St. Innocent I||401-417||Anastasius I|
|Boniface||418-422||son of a priest|
|St. Felix||483-492||son of a priest|
|Anastasius II||496-498||son of a priest|
|St. Agapitus I||535-536||Gordiaous, priest|
|St. Silverus||536-537||St. Homidas, pope|
|Deusdedit||882-884||son of a priest|
|Boniface VI||896-896||Hadrian, bishop|
|John XI||931-935||Pope Sergius III|
|John XV||989-996||Leo, priest|
|Innocent VIII||1484-1492||several children|
|Alexander VI||1492-1503||several children|
|Paul III||1534-1549||3 sons, 1 daughter|
|Pius IV||1559-1565||3 sons|
|Gregory XIII||1572-1585||1 son|
Now let us examine
THE EFFECTS OF THE UNMARRIED CLERGY IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
I remember Our Dear Father De’Cyper of Our Theologate in Ranchi telling Us:
“The vow of Chastity does not mean just being Celibate (Unmarried), but being ‘Chaste,’ [Not having (Any Kind of) Sex].”
Given that, unable to speak of times 30-40 years ago, I would say that
A mere 30% of priests (bishops and cardinals are priests) might not be having some kind of sex. In other words, 70% Do practise some kind of sex. (All ‘my’ numbers, of course!)
[ Before some ‘wise’ person tells me: ‘Stop washing Your dirty linen in public,’ let me say that this article goes Much further; towards a solution, albeit old, definitely Ignored. ]
Whatever the effects of this at the Pearly Gates, I want to focus on:
The EFFECTS of The Unmarried Priesthood Right here on Earth.
…When I was in the seminary, there was this guy one year my senior, (real case, You see), – who would invariably run his hand over the bum of anybody in front of him, particularly while climbing stairs. The last I checked, he is a senior priest, a well liked ‘preacher,’ to boot.
Once ‘I’ got his attention. Here come the ‘effects.’ I almost brought up (vomited, for those without the degree).
Those who have been Molested in More serious ways would laugh at me, for citing this.
Yes, a mere touch had been / could be So Repugnant, (I took to making Serious effort to avoid his ‘attentions’). Anybody who has had these kinds of Negative (sexual) experiences would understand.
When I was at a certain ashram in North India, a group of young Nuns who had been raped were brought in for a time of peace and quiet. They were walking Zombies, fearsome examples of the ‘effect’ under discussion here.
I know at least two grown men today, who, though ‘successful’ in their fields, are literally broken inside. Every sort of Decorum forbids Us to say anything More about them.
Do We Need such ‘Effects?’
This is the Most Important point here.
The Effects, which Include seemingly unerasable Shame, unnecessary Guilt, and Anger, produce Serious side effects of their own.
In short, give Rise to Sin.
When Christ has said, “”If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” Matthew 18.6, NIV.,
WHY have not this Abominable law, those who brought it into being, and those who keep it so, been Abolished?
What has happened is this:
Over this issue and many others, churches have catered to the ‘wishes’ of the people, (as had Aaron with the golden calf, (Exodus 32)), and to people through the ages saying: “Give Us Pleasant things.”
Moses had been Man enough to practise what he believed in and preached, that day. Today’s hierarchy proves to the world that they Are Eunuchs (with Apologies to Eunuchs; No offence intended. Just using age old examples).
About ‘pleasant things,’ a few quotes.
‘They say to the seers, “See no more visions!” and to the prophets, “Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions.’ (Isaiah 30.10).
‘For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.’ (2 Timothy 4.3).
(About Jesus), ‘On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”‘ (John 6.60).
Christian Hierarchy, for a Long time, has fallen prey to mammon.
Showing You a couple of pics that have interested me very much.
Those who are interested in Cricket will remember that many cricket sportsmen, esp from the Caribbean, sport thick, heavy, silver(?) chains. …These gentlemen, seemingly priests, are rolling in gold.
But who am I to comment on that? …The ‘vatican bank,’ it seems, is a Major shareholder in Beretta Arms; which produces not just hand guns, but Military Rifles.
From the picture it seems Beretta produces even (Military) helicopters and Tanks!
The lifestyle of cardinals,
bishops, and even priests is luxurious.
The money for all this comes, and will keep coming from the ‘mass,’ as in the strength of the congregation.
The church does not want to lose its name as ‘The Most Numerous.’ …Loss in these numbers would also bring a Solid dent in the revenue. The church is More worried about these things than the Wrath of its Founder and Master.
Solutions to the issue of ‘Unmarried priesthood’ in the catholic church.
The catholic hierarchy, the leaders, have ‘conveniently‘ forgotten the words at the end of their favourite quote:
“The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19.12, end).
The authorities would say, “Of course, if You can accept celibacy come forward for priesthood.”
But the point is, WHO gave them the authority to conjoin celibacy and priesthood, when, in Every case (in All translations), Christ made it a choice?
Ergo, Here’s what I call my ‘Solution.’
These days, my Dear Friends, have been concentrating on writing posts for my Facebook page: For Catholics, accessed through @swamiyesudas.
It has been both my hope and Firm belief that people, Actively taking part in the affairs of life, can Effect Powerful changes.
It is the Apathy and Lethargy of mankind that prevents this action, and results in the proliferation of evil.
On the other side Christians, – I shall limit myself to catholics, as I dislike infringing upon areas not my own, thus – catholics, seem to think that attending ‘mass,’ to use the word they themselves would use, saying ‘book’ prayers, going for pilgrimages, and giving to charity is all there is to it; and the clergy takes pains (!) that the laity remain in this mindset.
Here is a sample of what I write there.
…Do hope You visit that page. …Hearty Regards.
PS: Am not able to type all that well with my left hand. So forgive me if I do not get in touch with You too much.
We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. …Charles Bukowski
Came across Charles Bukowski just today. Like his views Very much; and…
Very Bitter, but Very Real Truths. Much of this is happening in India, particularly among the Young.
Continued from Part 2.
MOST people seem to think Democracy is this: Vote once in 5 years or so, then DO whatever the ‘gorement’ says. (Popularly called government; but they just Gore You, don’t they?).
It raises Petrol/Diesel prices? Ok Sir! It helps its cronies and throws scraps to the populace? Yes Sir!
Below is a graphic of a supporter of modi, from his comment, by screen capture:
I decline to translate this; So crass it is. It will be understood by Most of the locals of India.
For the rest of the Mortals, here’s what Most think Democracy is:
I come to my point now:
In Christianity, of which I am one, it falls upon priests (and bishops and the pope).
Here’s a quote (Lamentations 2.14, New Living Translation):
So, the modern day prophet, the priest, bishop and pope should speak and teach what would avoid Calamity, and Bring Good.
‘They,’ the 1%, the Arms Manufacturers, the ‘Conglomerate’ as the senator in the movie ‘Shooter’ puts it,
Are NOT going to say or teach How to change the system.
Linus says it too.
The ‘tyrant’ FEARS opposition. he is nothing but a Big bully.
Can We Not do our little bits of kindness and good, and Just Stop looking at the News?
We have to keep hammering away, chipping away, the ploy said to have been used by Michaelangelo for his David.
And that’s Why I Shall Keep Speaking. 🙂
[ Would make better sense if You start from Part 1. 🙂 ]
Continued from Part 1.
Here’s what I think; What say You?
Let me talk today of Prisons.
Here’s what an Indian prison looks like:
The Odd thing is that Many of them might not even have been proved Guilty. India has a LARGE percentage of those who have not yet been Tried; yet are in jail, for Decades!
Whereas for people like this man, Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik, who, it is said, killed 77,
live like this in prison:
An inmate is brushing his teeth in the bathroom inside one of the single-person prison cells build with various amenities in the luxurious Halden Fengsel, (prison) near Oslo.
Yet, even these Norwegian/Scandinavian things are called ‘Prisons,’ aren’t they? And they are Hated, if not Feared. …Loss of Freedom is a Terrible thing.
We might not be Raving and Ranting, but would Scream, (perhaps without effect), if We get ‘Banged Up Abroad,’ which is Reality. Would We not?
We would expect Help from our family and friends, who might have to run from pillar to post for an unspecified amount of time; with or without success.
Cont. 🙂 …
Am in famous company! “To be, or not to be,” and all that! 🙂
Am writing this (these) inspired by the Very Frank question raised by a blogger friend, who had written: “Maybe we should start ignoring the newest and trendiest head line topics of the day and simply start doing good in our immediate neighbourhood, friend Swamiyesudas. Love, cat.” https://ckpeacemaker.wordpress.com/
Am Most gratified that this my Trying to Get People Involved in Questioning and Challenging society, Has borne Fruit.
This consists of 3 posts, and is around 300 words Each.
So, Today, am starting with my surroundings!
Both the above shots are from the North of our Ashram.
This one to the South:
The one below is from within the Ashram compound.
Below, the Eucharist just having been celebrated, Cat Boy has taken over his favourite cushion!
And here’s my famous gate, with my ‘Watchman!’:
“Breathes there the man with soul so dead,” had said Walter Scott, to whose words I would like to add: “Who does not like ‘Likes!‘
…I would dearly like a Lot of ‘Likes.’ But Alas.
It would be SO easy for me to post much more of the above sort;
Of which I have quite a collection!
I would get Lots of likes and comments, too!
But, can I do that?
What I feel Impelled to do is post the sort of things which You see from me. …Here’s my latest:
…More in Next. 🙂
This is addressing ONE side of issues, Francis @Pontifex. Till you write addressing Caste-ism, Racism, errant, lazy and money hungry bishops and priests, Catholic judges, policemen and officials, Regularly n Powerfully, you are failing in your duty.
Just to insert a pic, and to be abreast of things, one of two shopkeepers who were beaten SO badly they died, in police custody, in South India. [ This while Floyd‘s death is SO fresh in our minds. ]
Pope Francis @Pontifex
If you are looking for meaning in life but, not finding one, you throw yourself away with “imitations of love”, such as wealth, career, pleasure, or an addiction, let Jesus look at you, and you will discover you have always been loved.